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CF Senior Member

Member Since: Feb 2006
Location: Antioch CA
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Vortex CAI Install - My
Impressions on Install and
Performance (PICS, long)
I had been on the fence
for a while trying to
decide whether or not I
wanted to install a CAI
on my 06 A6. I wanted a
true CAI, one that got
its air from outside of
the engine compartment.
My only performance mod
to date was a tune from
Synergy Motorsports. I
wondered if a CAI would
help, and would I be
able to feel a
difference. I finally
decided to just go ahead
and do it. With that
decision made, I now
needed to decide on
which one.

I had narrowed my search
to the Vararam, Callaway
Honker and the Vortex
Rammer.
There is a lot of good
press on the performance
of the Vararam, but a
lot of negatives as well
in regards to the fit
and finish, and issues
in regards to the seal
of the filter.
Personally, I also
didn’t like the way that
the Vararam left a gap
between the unit itself
and the shroud. This
allows for a lot of
debris/dust to enter the
engine compartment.
Since I have a lot of
visual mods as well,
this was an issue for
me. I don’t race, but
wanted a balance between
performance and looks.
The Callaway seems to
have good performance
numbers as well,
although maybe not quite
as good as the Vararam.
I also liked the fact
that it looked close to
stock once installed.
The one issue with it is
that you have to remove
the shroud to install
it. Depending on who you
listen to, this task
alone can range from
anywhere between a real
pain in the a** to not
all that bad.
I finally decided on the
Vortex Rammer. Its
performance numbers seem
to be in line if not
better than that of the
Vararam. There are some
differences with the
Vortex that are
different than some of
the other CAI units. You
do not have to remove
the shroud to install
it, it seals to the
shroud to prevent
debris/dust from
entering the engine
compartment and you have
a choice of three
different air boxes -
clear, black or carbon
fiber (not real carbon
fiber, just a carbon
fiber look). You don‘t
see as many threads on
this unit, and I had to
search quite a bit to
find what info I could
about it. If you go back
a year or two, you’ll
find a little more info
on this unit as opposed
to the past six months
to a year. The price of
the Vortex is around
$75-$100 more than the
Vararam and Honker,
which may be why you
don’t see as much talk
about it on the forum.
To me, the fit, finish
and look are well worth
the extra $$. We spent a
lot on our Vettes,
what‘s an extra $100 in
the grand scheme of
things.
The other thing I liked
about the Vortex was the
unique design and the
attention to detail. The
designers (Breathless
Performance) try to
reduce turbulence in the
intake for better
performance. The filter
itself has a cone inside
of it to help reduce
this, as well as the
elimination of the
accordion boot
downstream of the MAF.
Once the unit is
installed, it is pretty
much a straight shot
from the air bridge to
the throttle body - no
bends, change of
direction or an
accordion for the air to
bump up around. I liked
this attention to detain
in the design.
The Vortex unit consists
of four major parts. The
air bridge, the filter
box, the filter and a
smooth coupler to
replace your accordion
coupler downstream of
the MAF. The install was
pretty straight forward.
From start to finish it
took me about 2-2 1/2
hours. One of the
hardest parts was
getting the old filter
and couplings apart.

The instructions were
good and the template
provided was of good
quality. I only had to
cut once, and did not
have to do any trimming
after the initial cut.
What helped out a lot
was a 5 minute video
Breathless Performance
has on their Website on
installing the Vortex.
It goes into a little
more detail than the
written instructions,
and filled in any gaps
nicely.
The performance of the
Vortex did not
disappoint. Yes, I can
feel a difference.

My car seems to pull
much better now in the
middle to upper RPM
range. It feels very
strong here. The day
after the install, I
took my car back to my
tuner for any tweaks
that he might have to
make as a result of the
Vortex. Instead of
placing it on his dyno,
he drove it around for
about a half hour with
his laptop and HP Tuners
in tow to make some fine
tune adjustments. Being
that the Vortex is
supposed to get more air
at speed, driving it out
on the street as opposed
to putting it on the
dyno makes sense. He did
have to make some small
moves to the fuel trim
as he stated it
definitely was getting a
little more air. He also
stated that for being
relatively stock (other
than my tune and
Vortex), the car has a
lot of get up and go.
If customer service is
important to you, Ernie
at Breathless
Performance was great to
work with. Even on off
hours he answered my
calls. I actually placed
my order for the Vortex
while Ernie was out at
the track.

Customer service at
Breathless Performance
was well above my
expectations.
In conclusion, the
Vortex is everything I
wanted in a CAI. It
performs great, looks
great, and the install
was relatively easy. I’m
sure the performance
difference between the
Vararam, Honker and
Vortex is relatively
small, if none at all.
But when adding up
performance with ease of
install, design, fit and
finish the Vortex was a
hands down winner for
me. I hope this helps
with anyone else trying
to make this decision on
a CAI.
Below are some pictures
of the install. Enjoy
New smooth coupler
downstream of MAF. You
have to drill a small
hole in it to insert the
vent tube. Best to do
this while the couple is
off the throttle body.
Place it on, mark where
the hole should go then
remove and drill.
Template in place, ready
to trace for cutting.
Shroud cut. I used a
sharp knife, only
extending the blade
around ½ inch when
cutting near the top of
the shroud. Make sure
you place some cardboard
between the condenser
and the shroud so you
don’t accidentally
cut/puncture it (I used
three layers of
cardboard to be on the
safe side). When
drilling the holes in
the shroud for the
mounting brackets, I did
hit the cardboard a
couple of times, but did
not go through it. Also,
I had an angle drill
which allowed for easier
drilling of the holes in
the shroud.
A picture of the inside
of the filter. The
picture really doesn’t
represent the inner cone
very well.
Unit installed. Because
of the curvature of the
shroud, where was a
small gap in a small
area between the box and
the shroud. I just used
a little low density
foam to fill in the
gaps.
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Yesterday, 05:59 PM
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Comment:
Information Request
Subject: Our Company
Other: Intake product for C6
name: Jim Mercer
email: Red02Firehawk@yahoo.com
telephone: 913-897-====
fax:
Contact_Me:
B1: Submit Comments
Comments:
Hi, I have had 2 (due to quality) VaraRam CAI
boxes on my Corvette. This
last time was the last straw, I went to clean
the filter and found sand,
grit & dryed grass on the wrong side! They must
balloon under high speed!
This is the second time for the sand/grit! They
have sent new seals, even a
complete CAI and it still gets stuff past the
filter. I am just waiting for
the engine to go! Now, I have a huge hole to
plug, but another member in
our club (KCCA) said to try your products. He
likes your cold air intake.
Would your product essentailly cover the hole
from the VaraRam or would I
need to start with a new plastic divider? I
would like your opinion on
this. Let me know what you think.
I could actually promote your product for you on
the Hot Rod Power Tour and
the numerous Corvette events I go to. Do you
attend the YearOne Experience
by chance? I am not looking for free product,
just a fair discount in
exhange for some light marketing activties. I
have done this for exhaust
products for several years. Before retirement, I
worked for HP in sales and
sales management for over 20 years, but I
retired at 46 and now just have
fun doing car things. I have a 2005 Corvette and
a new 08 Shelby GT500
convertible. If you are interested in me passing
out some information on the
Power Tour, or other events, let me know, if
not, I understand. I am still
interested in your intake as I am doing away
with the VaraRam and would like
to have something that eliminates the need to
replace that plastic divider
section.
The other main problem with VaraRam is quality
and it leaves your engine
compartment a mess if you do get caught in the
rain! There is no real hurry
as the car is parked, but let me know at your
convenience. Thanks,
Jim
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Everything's perfect now Ernie.
I want
to thank you again for all the effort you put
into making my Vette just what I wanted it to
be. I'm more than likely going to hang onto this
car for quite a while, so that's why I wanted it
to be operating at it's best, which it is.
So cheers to you!
Rod
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Comment: Problem
Subject: Our Company
Other:
name: Jayson Cutler
email: jfla04@aol.com
telephone:
fax:
Contact_Me:
B1: Submit Comments
Comments:
Dear Ernie ..... Thanx a lot for the great job you , Les , & the
rest of the gang did on my C6 . The stage 2 package & Dyno setup
works better than I expected . I am really satisfied & would highly
reccomend BPP to my friends & people I meet .
You are THE best , Jayson Cutler
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Very sorry it has taken me some 3 to 2
months to finally get back to you and tell you about the
performance gain I have experienced with the addition of
the Vortex Air Box and Intake onto my 1994 LT1 Corvette
Coupe. Prior to installing your product I was using the
"claw" SLP unit and I thought I was pleased with its
performance. With the other modification done to my
Corvette I was dyno rated at 302 RWHP and posting a
best ET of 12.425 (+/-) @ 107.75 MPH.
I had the opportunity to buy a used
Vortex unit at a very reasonable price and made the
purchase. Afterward I found I was in need of the
"cut-out pattern" as well as your kit for bolting in air
box in place. I guess installation can be done without
these items but having them made the job very easy.
Anyway I did have this items and you where very
responsive in my request to purchase them from you.
Unfortunately I got busy and the next thing I know is
the unit has been sitting on the shelf of my garage for
over a month. I finally got a free Sunday afternoon and
installed the unit in less than 4 hours and a week later
was at MIR in Budds Creek, MD at a private track
rental. Right off the trailer the Corvette laid down an
ET of 12.222 @ 109.85 MPH - that's an immediate .203 ET
gain with an additional 2 MPH in the traps! Since then
I have had another dyno test which now indicates a RWHP
of 317 (same dyno measuring a 15 HP gain). I was also
able to make another private rental at Richmond Dragway
in Richmond, VA right at the end of the season and
posted a new personal best of 12.167 @ 111.45 MPH. Your
unit is the only equipment change made to the Corvette
so it is total responsible for me seeing a gain of 15 HP
as tested by the dyno and an improvement of .258 seconds
in my quarter mile times.
Once the 2008 season opens I believe I
can even achieve some improvement on these numbers as I
"tweak" the Corvette's tune to take advantage of the air
volume now being delivered to my LT1.
Thanks for a wonderful product and
please forgive me for taking so long to tell you my
success achieved with the use of your firms products. I
now even display one of you decals on the back window of
my Corvette.
PS - I know it a long way to travel from
your shop but perhaps you would like to see one of your
products in action. Come join me and some 200 other
Corvettes at the 2008 Corvette Challenge Nationals being
hosted at Richmond Dragway on May 9th and 10th. I
should have the Corvette tuned-in by then and will be
trying to make it into the 11's
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Ernie & Breathless
Performance Crew:
Thank you very much
for your donation to the Sam Houston Corvette Spring Show.
The Gift Certificate will help raise money for the Kelly Jo
Dowd Breast Cancer Research Foundation and i'm sure you will
get some future business from all the catalogs you
provided. Thanx again
Davis L Jones
Car Show Chairman
Sam Houston Corvette
Club
10-10-2007, 08:43 AM
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Supporting Tuner
Member Since: Mar 1999
Location: Fort Lauderdale Fl
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We are now tuning up to the 2008 Vettes. All
our tuning is done onsite on our own
personal dyno. We have viewing area in our
showroom. We also carry a full line of
products for your vette.
Tuning includes
Trans torque management
Spark curves
Fuel curves
RPM limit
FT Values
Cats removed Programming
Fan temps
Cat Over rich levels
Plus a lot more.
We usually spend about 2 to 4 hours on the
dyno to tune both part throttle drivability
and full throttle power.
This is not your typical wham bam kick you
off the dyno in 20 min tune like our
competitors.

We like to make sure that when you leave it
is 100%.
You don’t need to worry about trying to hunt
down your tuner after he skipped town.

We have been in business for over 9 years at
this location with our OWN DYNO tuning cars
and providing quality products.
We tune and support several race teams
including our own ST1 Corvette race car.
Give us a call if you want an expert tune.
Dyno tuning up to 5 hours 530.00 Includes a
full tech 2 diagnostic and complete HP and
TQ printout.
Ernie
www.BreathlessPerformance.com
954-925-7725
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CF Senior Member

Member Since: Jan 2000
Location: Slower than a speeding
bullet................ Fort Lauderdale, FL
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
Rikk427
I just want to thank Ernie
over at Breathless
Performance for the
wonderful job he did tuning
my car last Wednesday. After
the tune I was able to
notice a huge difference in
the low to mid pull. My car
also has a nice smooth idle
for the first time since ive
owned it. When he says he
takes his time he's not
kidding. I got there at 8am
and he was steady working on
my car until 1pm. I drove
away with 490 hp 499 torque
at the rear tires. Thanks
Ernie!
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I also
had Ernie tune my car last Wednesday, and
met Rik while I was there getting a CAI,
dyno tune and stat.
Rik's car seemed to be on the dyno forever

My car couldn't go on until his was
completed. We both watched as Ernie dialed
in his car.
I must say I am very happy with the quality
of work done on my car
Alan
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CF Senior Member

Member Since: Jul 2006
Location: Long Island NY
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Here is a picture of my
Vortex with the black
carbon fiber elbow and
clear air box, on my 05
Z-51 6MZ Mag red..
Pardon me only Angle
currently available.
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Junior Member

Member Since: Jun 2007
Location: Miami FL.
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Just put the Vortex on
my car this past friday
and noticed a difference
right away. Car runs
awesome!!! The quality
of the intake is awesome
as well, looks alot
better then most intakes
that are out there for
the Vette.
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DarkSG03svt
Junior Member

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Well I installed the Vortex last night and all I can say is
WOW! What a huge difference. A buddy of mine
helped me do the install because this is my
first vette and this is his 2nd or 3rd I
believe. He has the vararam and the only
difference I would say is that the Vortex
looks like 10 times better IMO. Other than
that they are both great products.
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welcome2try
CF Senior Member


Member Since: Jul 2006
Location: Long Island NY |

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Originally Posted by
jschindler

3-4 tenths and 3 mph indicates a hp increase of around 40hp
or so (at the wheels). Does anyone
really believe any CAI really gives
that much power? Personally, I think
anyone who picks up that much has
other factors at play. Also,
consider that a CAI is not likely to
have any effect on 60's times - so
what are the 60' times of these
increases?
If they truly have a ram air effect,
almost all of the 1/4 mile
difference would be after the 330
mark - do the time slips bear that
out?
I really think a lot of these claims
are fast a loose with the facts.
Almost all of them have other mods
done. And in almost all cases, track
conditions could very well have
changed.
I believe a CAI can increase hp
some, but I think people need to be
realistic about just how much is
possible. The only thing it can do
is lower the intake temp, and allow
more air flow. Without other mods,
the engine can only suck in so much
air, and can only increase power as
much as the change in intake temp
allows.
Some of the increase claims are
starting with 1/4 mile times that
are pretty mediocre to begin with
(on a stock car). When someone goes
from pretty mediocre, to better -
but still 3-4 tenths slower than
many people have posted bone stock,
it makes me question what really
happened.
Sorry for my skepticism, but I just
think some of the claims are very
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My friend, I would like to share with you my experience with
the Vortex ram air. I prefer to do one mod
at a time to truely grasp any power increase
one might gain from the SOTP feel. Before I
went with cam and 4.10 gears. I started with
basic mods as in 1.75 kooks, hi flo cats and
cat back, being the first mods. I noticed a
nice kick in the pants but not too much. The
following week I installed the Vortex ram
air.
My SOTP feel with the Vortex was definitely
noticible after 60mph on a hard launch,
there after it was more evident in third and
fourth gears to redline. Car felt a lot
stronger thru mid band and redline, and it
was a definite gain. I ran this set up for a
few short months, and then came the 4.10's
and the rest is well..So by doing minor mods
in stages one can ascertain the gains
without second guessing. I don't believe in
full blown mods all at once unless I have an
agenda at the track.
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Astronomer
CF Senior Member


Member Since: Apr 2006 |

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Originally Posted by
Craigster05

No need to be sorry...we all want to know the good and bad.
When I have a customer ask me "What
do you think?", if there is a
caveat, I want to be able to advise
him of it. This forum is a great
real time quality control dept when
used right....if only GM would
listen more closely..
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I have been reading this thread on the CAI
and wanted to add a personal experience:
I have the Vortex in my C6.
Last summer I got caught (don’t ask LOL) in
one of the hurricane weather systems while
in the Vette. The rain was literally shaking
the car it was coming down so hard and the
lightning basically never stopped - two to
three bolts simultaneously about every 5
seconds or so. Scared the crap out of me I
am will admit.
I finally had to pull over since I could not
see the road just in front of the nose of
the car it was raining so hard. I just
prayed I would not get slammed into from the
rear.
The Vortex ran great and even in all that, I
had not one water issue in my engine.
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theofel
CF Senior Member

Member Since: Oct 2006
Location: BOCA RATON FLORIDA |

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Originally Posted by
bomariam1

I don't believe in comparing between products by the best
time on the track until it's the
same car, driver and time of test.
The question is, vararam has an air
scope for collecting air, vortex has
a large opening for air collecting,
both of them collect the air before
the radiator, so technically vortex
will collect more cold air than
vararam.
It mean’s better breathing, better
performance.
So what about using normal open
filter CAI with an air scope ?
It will give even more air to be
collected, this is my plan, and it’s
the same one that vette-air have. |
That works! It's what I did on my LS3, it made a difference.
The LS3 is a front feed intake which is the
same as the ZO6. After experimenting with
that combination I installed the BPP Vortex,
That's when I relized a .2 second advantage
and 3MPH increase in my 1/4 mile times over
the stock/VetteAir combination. By the way I
sold my VetteAir to a Forum member. So all
was not lost! |
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welcome2try
CF Senior Member


Member Since: Jul 2006
Location: Long Island NY |

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Originally Posted by
Fuego

Don't be so melodramatic! You should do am radio.
One, I should have been more
professional. Two, I have neither
system, made a valid response, and
this is what I get? I asked if I had
missed something, but I guess they
guy from BPP didn't deem me worthy
enough to correct my possible
mistake. He instead became
aggravated with my observation.
Seems to me if BPP wants to sell
these units THEY should try to be
more professional to potential
customers, especially when trying to
validate their product. Three, I
guess it's okay to badmouth someone,
as you and BPP have shown, as long
as you don't swear. By the way, I
see YOU HAVE PROVIDED NOTHING to the
discussion other than having a big
mouth and being an internet tough
guy, keyboard boxer, what have you.
Mind your own business please, sir.
Sorry to hijack the thread guys-
back to topic. |
Melodramatic?Internet tough guy? keyboard boxer? How do you
come up with such retort? Secondly, you have
confused who the internet bully is here,
just look at all the profanity you used,
against another Forum member, did he use any
profanity against you nOOb?
And for your info I have the Vortex Ram air
(clear air box and carbon fiber elbow), and
for what it's worth, I would never buy a
Vararam for the simple fact that I Just
don't like the quality or the looks of it,
not that it's not functional, just not my
cup of tea. I prefer the Vortex quality and
asthetics period in addition, it Works
..Hope this internet tough guy brought
something to the table.
BTW..do you even own a vette? Nice profile
with Zero info..
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SnapperDragon
CF Senior Member


Member Since: Apr 2007
Location: Canton Michigan |

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Originally Posted by
jacobasso

OK - that's a great debate; thanks everyone to share their
(hopefully unbiased) experience, and
it seems like there is an agreement
for sure: CAI are worth it. Which
one makes more sense to install,
still the question remains... A few
criteria to consider:
- Price: Vortex $485, Var $399 (or
better) for C6 LS2
- Overheating issues: only rumors -
no measurements, a few conflicting
opinions
- Performance: no true side by side
comparison; both seems to shave 0.4
sec or more on the 1/4 miles; pretty
good
- Reliability/durability: no concern
reported, but little data (still a
"yound product" for C6)
- Ease of installation: no
comparative data - I would guess
pretty close
- Ease of maintenance: no
comparative data - I would guess
pretty close
- Fuel economy impact ??? anybody
knows?
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Exclusivity? Do you want your engine compartment to look like
all the others?
How about sucking in water? The Vararam has
this issue from the reading I've done. The
Vortex gets it's ram air from the radiator
shroud area and is pointing in a direction
that avoids possible water in the engine. An
important thing to consider, possibly.
I'm leaning towards a Vortex. I like the
looks. I've heard also that the Vararam
system is not made that well but then again,
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SnapperDragon
CF Senior Member


Member Since: Apr 2007
Location: Canton Michigan |

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Let's assume the benefits are similar.
Next thing people want to compare is cost.
OK, maybe the VR is a bit cheaper. However,
it is not carbon fiber, just plastic
(correct?).
The Vortex looks pretty tough and neat.
Nothing sticking out where you can see it.
Maybe some people want a snorkle in the air
scoop area?
Anyway, where is the Vararam made? I think
the Vortex is made in the USA and to me that
has value that I'm willing to pay extra for.
Also, I'd like to be unique, so if the other
differences are accounted for, I may decide
to go with the unique option.
In the end, same idea, different execution.
But I do like the explanation of how the
Vortex does it's thing, which is to have the
intake/filter located in an area that is
already delivering a lot of air pressure due
to the air dam. Makes sense. It doesn't look
as gimmicky, either, but no slam on anybody
that likes VR better! I have neither at this
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DC Crew
Posts: 21
Member #52289
Joined: Oct 2006
Location: Houston TX
My Corvette(s)
06 C6 M6 Z51 LT3
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Interesting about the springs. I had breathless put the
softest springs in prior to shipping. Installed it, but
it kept bouncing out of 1st to 3rd. In the mean time I
called ernie and he sent the spacer for the cup. I
changed the springs to the middle one-green. Then I
tried again to the 2nd softest. I like it that way the
best. My buzzing was from one of the loose nuts on the
shaft install----my fault, I tightened it--no more
buzzing for me.. I found I need a pad for the console to
raise my hand height up.
breathless for me is Best shifter for the car.
Already tried Callaway, fidanza and sent both
back..........
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2006 V R Coupe Z51 MZ6 3LT
Security-Prestige 2 way with rolling code, 2
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