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I had been on the fence for a while trying to decide whether or not I wanted to install a CAI on my 06 A6. I wanted a true CAI, one that got its air from outside of the engine compartment. My only performance mod to date was a tune from Synergy Motorsports. I wondered if a CAI would help, and would I be able to feel a difference. I finally decided to just go ahead and do it. With that decision made, I now needed to decide on which one. I had narrowed my search to the Vararam, Callaway Honker and the Vortex Rammer.

There is a lot of good press on the performance of the Vararam, but a lot of negatives as well in regards to the fit and finish, and issues in regards to the seal of the filter. Personally, I also didn’t like the way that the Vararam left a gap between the unit itself and the shroud. This allows for a lot of debris/dust to enter the engine compartment. Since I have a lot of visual mods as well, this was an issue for me. I don’t race, but wanted a balance between performance and looks.

The Callaway seems to have good performance numbers as well, although maybe not quite as good as the Vararam. I also liked the fact that it looked close to stock once installed. The one issue with it is that you have to remove the shroud to install it. Depending on who you listen to, this task alone can range from anywhere between a real pain in the a** to not all that bad.

I finally decided on the Vortex Rammer. Its performance numbers seem to be in line if not better than that of the Vararam. There are some differences with the Vortex that are different than some of the other CAI units. You do not have to remove the shroud to install it, it seals to the shroud to prevent debris/dust from entering the engine compartment and you have a choice of three different air boxes - clear, black or carbon fiber (not real carbon fiber, just a carbon fiber look). You don‘t see as many threads on this unit, and I had to search quite a bit to find what info I could about it. If you go back a year or two, you’ll find a little more info on this unit as opposed to the past six months to a year. The price of the Vortex is around $75-$100 more than the Vararam and Honker, which may be why you don’t see as much talk about it on the forum. To me, the fit, finish and look are well worth the extra $$. We spent a lot on our Vettes, what‘s an extra $100 in the grand scheme of things.

The other thing I liked about the Vortex was the unique design and the attention to detail. The designers (Breathless Performance) try to reduce turbulence in the intake for better performance. The filter itself has a cone inside of it to help reduce this, as well as the elimination of the accordion boot downstream of the MAF. Once the unit is installed, it is pretty much a straight shot from the air bridge to the throttle body - no bends, change of direction or an accordion for the air to bump up around. I liked this attention to detain in the design.

The Vortex unit consists of four major parts. The air bridge, the filter box, the filter and a smooth coupler to replace your accordion coupler downstream of the MAF. The install was pretty straight forward. From start to finish it took me about 2-2 1/2 hours. One of the hardest parts was getting the old filter and couplings apart. The instructions were good and the template provided was of good quality. I only had to cut once, and did not have to do any trimming after the initial cut. What helped out a lot was a 5 minute video Breathless Performance has on their Website on installing the Vortex. It goes into a little more detail than the written instructions, and filled in any gaps nicely.

The performance of the Vortex did not disappoint. Yes, I can feel a difference. My car seems to pull much better now in the middle to upper RPM range. It feels very strong here. The day after the install, I took my car back to my tuner for any tweaks that he might have to make as a result of the Vortex. Instead of placing it on his dyno, he drove it around for about a half hour with his laptop and HP Tuners in tow to make some fine tune adjustments. Being that the Vortex is supposed to get more air at speed, driving it out on the street as opposed to putting it on the dyno makes sense. He did have to make some small moves to the fuel trim as he stated it definitely was getting a little more air. He also stated that for being relatively stock (other than my tune and Vortex), the car has a lot of get up and go.

If customer service is important to you, Ernie at Breathless Performance was great to work with. Even on off hours he answered my calls. I actually placed my order for the Vortex while Ernie was out at the track. Customer service at Breathless Performance was well above my expectations.

In conclusion, the Vortex is everything I wanted in a CAI. It performs great, looks great, and the install was relatively easy. I’m sure the performance difference between the Vararam, Honker and Vortex is relatively small, if none at all. But when adding up performance with ease of install, design, fit and finish the Vortex was a hands down winner for me. I hope this helps with anyone else trying to make this decision on a CAI.

Below are some pictures of the install. Enjoy


New smooth coupler downstream of MAF. You have to drill a small hole in it to insert the vent tube. Best to do this while the couple is off the throttle body. Place it on, mark where the hole should go then remove and drill.


Template in place, ready to trace for cutting.


Shroud cut. I used a sharp knife, only extending the blade around ½ inch when cutting near the top of the shroud. Make sure you place some cardboard between the condenser and the shroud so you don’t accidentally cut/puncture it (I used three layers of cardboard to be on the safe side). When drilling the holes in the shroud for the mounting brackets, I did hit the cardboard a couple of times, but did not go through it. Also, I had an angle drill which allowed for easier drilling of the holes in the shroud.


A picture of the inside of the filter. The picture really doesn’t represent the inner cone very well.


Unit installed. Because of the curvature of the shroud, where was a small gap in a small area between the box and the shroud. I just used a little low density foam to fill in the gaps.
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Hi, I have had 2 (due to quality) VaraRam CAI boxes on my Corvette. This
last time was the last straw, I went to clean the filter and found sand,
grit & dryed grass on the wrong side! They must balloon under high speed!
This is the second time for the sand/grit! They have sent new seals, even a
complete CAI and it still gets stuff past the filter. I am just waiting for
the engine to go! Now, I have a huge hole to plug, but another member in
our club (KCCA) said to try your products. He likes your cold air intake.
Would your product essentailly cover the hole from the VaraRam or would I
need to start with a new plastic divider? I would like your opinion on
this. Let me know what you think.
I could actually promote your product for you on the Hot Rod Power Tour and
the numerous Corvette events I go to. Do you attend the YearOne Experience
by chance? I am not looking for free product, just a fair discount in
exhange for some light marketing activties. I have done this for exhaust
products for several years. Before retirement, I worked for HP in sales and
sales management for over 20 years, but I retired at 46 and now just have
fun doing car things. I have a 2005 Corvette and a new 08 Shelby GT500
convertible. If you are interested in me passing out some information on the
Power Tour, or other events, let me know, if not, I understand. I am still
interested in your intake as I am doing away with the VaraRam and would like
to have something that eliminates the need to replace that plastic divider
section.
The other main problem with VaraRam is quality and it leaves your engine
compartment a mess if you do get caught in the rain! There is no real hurry
as the car is parked, but let me know at your convenience. Thanks,
Jim
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Everything's perfect now Ernie.

I want to thank you again for all the effort you put into making my Vette just what I wanted it to be. I'm more than likely going to hang onto this car for quite a while, so that's why I wanted it to be operating at it's best, which it is.

So cheers to you!

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Dear Ernie ..... Thanx a lot for the great job you , Les , & the rest of the gang did on my C6 . The stage 2 package & Dyno setup works better than I expected . I am really satisfied & would highly reccomend BPP to my friends & people I meet .
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Hi Ernie,

Very sorry it has taken me some 3 to 2 months to finally get back to you and tell you about the performance gain I have experienced with the addition of the Vortex Air Box and Intake onto my 1994 LT1 Corvette Coupe.  Prior to installing your product I was using the "claw" SLP unit and I thought I was pleased with its performance.  With the other modification done to my Corvette I was dyno rated at 302 RWHP and posting a best ET of 12.425 (+/-) @ 107.75 MPH. 

I had the opportunity to buy a used Vortex unit at a very reasonable price and made the purchase.  Afterward I found I was in need of the "cut-out pattern" as well as your kit for bolting in air box in place.  I guess installation can be done without these items but having them made the job very easy.  Anyway I did have this items and you where very responsive in my request to purchase them from you.  Unfortunately I got busy and the next thing I know is the unit has been sitting on the shelf of my garage for over a month.  I finally got a free Sunday afternoon and installed the unit in less than 4 hours and a week later was at MIR in Budds Creek, MD at a private track rental.  Right off the trailer the Corvette laid down an ET of 12.222 @ 109.85 MPH - that's an immediate .203 ET gain with an additional 2 MPH in the traps!  Since then I have had another dyno test which now indicates a RWHP of 317 (same dyno measuring a 15 HP gain).  I was also able to make another private rental at Richmond Dragway in Richmond, VA right at the end of the season and posted a new personal best of 12.167 @ 111.45 MPH.  Your unit is the only equipment change made to the Corvette so it is total responsible for me seeing a gain of 15 HP as tested by the dyno and an improvement of .258 seconds in my quarter mile times.

Once the 2008 season opens I believe I can even achieve some improvement on these numbers as I "tweak" the Corvette's tune to take advantage of the air volume now being delivered to my LT1.

Thanks for a wonderful product and please forgive me for taking so long to tell you my success achieved with the use of your firms products.  I now even display one of you decals on the back window of my Corvette.

Bill Wilson

Columbia, MD   

PS - I know it a long way to travel from your shop but perhaps you would like to see one of your products in action. Come join me and some 200 other Corvettes at the 2008 Corvette Challenge Nationals being hosted at Richmond Dragway on May 9th and 10th.  I should have the Corvette tuned-in by then and will be trying to make it into the 11's 

 

 
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We are now tuning up to the 2008 Vettes. All our tuning is done onsite on our own personal dyno. We have viewing area in our showroom. We also carry a full line of products for your vette.

Tuning includes

Trans torque management
Spark curves
Fuel curves
RPM limit
FT Values
Cats removed Programming
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Cat Over rich levels
Plus a lot more.

We usually spend about 2 to 4 hours on the dyno to tune both part throttle drivability and full throttle power.

This is not your typical wham bam kick you off the dyno in 20 min tune like our competitors. We like to make sure that when you leave it is 100%.

You don’t need to worry about trying to hunt down your tuner after he skipped town. We have been in business for over 9 years at this location with our OWN DYNO tuning cars and providing quality products.

We tune and support several race teams including our own ST1 Corvette race car.

Give us a call if you want an expert tune.

Dyno tuning up to 5 hours 530.00 Includes a full tech 2 diagnostic and complete HP and TQ printout.

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I just want to thank Ernie over at Breathless Performance for the wonderful job he did tuning my car last Wednesday. After the tune I was able to notice a huge difference in the low to mid pull. My car also has a nice smooth idle for the first time since ive owned it. When he says he takes his time he's not kidding. I got there at 8am and he was steady working on my car until 1pm. I drove away with 490 hp 499 torque at the rear tires. Thanks Ernie!
I also had Ernie tune my car last Wednesday, and met Rik while I was there getting a CAI, dyno tune and stat.
Rik's car seemed to be on the dyno forever My car couldn't go on until his was completed. We both watched as Ernie dialed in his car.
I must say I am very happy with the quality of work done on my car
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Here is a picture of my Vortex with the black carbon fiber elbow and clear air box, on my 05 Z-51 6MZ Mag red..
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Just put the Vortex on my car this past friday and noticed a difference right away. Car runs awesome!!! The quality of the intake is awesome as well, looks alot better then most intakes that are out there for the Vette.
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Well I installed the Vortex last night and all I can say is WOW! What a huge difference. A buddy of mine helped me do the install because this is my first vette and this is his 2nd or 3rd I believe. He has the vararam and the only difference I would say is that the Vortex looks like 10 times better IMO. Other than that they are both great products.

Oh and we lowered it too.

 

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3-4 tenths and 3 mph indicates a hp increase of around 40hp or so (at the wheels). Does anyone really believe any CAI really gives that much power? Personally, I think anyone who picks up that much has other factors at play. Also, consider that a CAI is not likely to have any effect on 60's times - so what are the 60' times of these increases?

If they truly have a ram air effect, almost all of the 1/4 mile difference would be after the 330 mark - do the time slips bear that out?

I really think a lot of these claims are fast a loose with the facts. Almost all of them have other mods done. And in almost all cases, track conditions could very well have changed.

I believe a CAI can increase hp some, but I think people need to be realistic about just how much is possible. The only thing it can do is lower the intake temp, and allow more air flow. Without other mods, the engine can only suck in so much air, and can only increase power as much as the change in intake temp allows.

Some of the increase claims are starting with 1/4 mile times that are pretty mediocre to begin with (on a stock car). When someone goes from pretty mediocre, to better - but still 3-4 tenths slower than many people have posted bone stock, it makes me question what really happened.

Sorry for my skepticism, but I just think some of the claims are very exagerated.

My friend, I would like to share with you my experience with the Vortex ram air. I prefer to do one mod at a time to truely grasp any power increase one might gain from the SOTP feel. Before I went with cam and 4.10 gears. I started with basic mods as in 1.75 kooks, hi flo cats and cat back, being the first mods. I noticed a nice kick in the pants but not too much. The following week I installed the Vortex ram air.

My SOTP feel with the Vortex was definitely noticible after 60mph on a hard launch, there after it was more evident in third and fourth gears to redline. Car felt a lot stronger thru mid band and redline, and it was a definite gain. I ran this set up for a few short months, and then came the 4.10's and the rest is well..So by doing minor mods in stages one can ascertain the gains without second guessing. I don't believe in full blown mods all at once unless I have an agenda at the track.

 

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No need to be sorry...we all want to know the good and bad. When I have a customer ask me "What do you think?", if there is a caveat, I want to be able to advise him of it. This forum is a great real time quality control dept when used right....if only GM would listen more closely..

Thanks for posting the link.


I have been reading this thread on the CAI and wanted to add a personal experience:

I have the Vortex in my C6.

Last summer I got caught (don’t ask LOL) in one of the hurricane weather systems while in the Vette. The rain was literally shaking the car it was coming down so hard and the lightning basically never stopped - two to three bolts simultaneously about every 5 seconds or so. Scared the crap out of me I am will admit.

I finally had to pull over since I could not see the road just in front of the nose of the car it was raining so hard. I just prayed I would not get slammed into from the rear.

The Vortex ran great and even in all that, I had not one water issue in my engine.

 

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I don't believe in comparing between products by the best time on the track until it's the same car, driver and time of test.
The question is, vararam has an air scope for collecting air, vortex has a large opening for air collecting, both of them collect the air before the radiator, so technically vortex will collect more cold air than vararam.
It mean’s better breathing, better performance.
So what about using normal open filter CAI with an air scope ?
It will give even more air to be collected, this is my plan, and it’s the same one that vette-air have.

That works! It's what I did on my LS3, it made a difference. The LS3 is a front feed intake which is the same as the ZO6. After experimenting with that combination I installed the BPP Vortex, That's when I relized a .2 second advantage and 3MPH increase in my 1/4 mile times over the stock/VetteAir combination. By the way I sold my VetteAir to a Forum member. So all was not lost!

 

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Don't be so melodramatic! You should do am radio.
One, I should have been more professional. Two, I have neither system, made a valid response, and this is what I get? I asked if I had missed something, but I guess they guy from BPP didn't deem me worthy enough to correct my possible mistake. He instead became aggravated with my observation. Seems to me if BPP wants to sell these units THEY should try to be more professional to potential customers, especially when trying to validate their product. Three, I guess it's okay to badmouth someone, as you and BPP have shown, as long as you don't swear. By the way, I see YOU HAVE PROVIDED NOTHING to the discussion other than having a big mouth and being an internet tough guy, keyboard boxer, what have you. Mind your own business please, sir. Sorry to hijack the thread guys- back to topic.

Melodramatic?Internet tough guy? keyboard boxer? How do you come up with such retort? Secondly, you have confused who the internet bully is here, just look at all the profanity you used, against another Forum member, did he use any profanity against you nOOb?
And for your info I have the Vortex Ram air (clear air box and carbon fiber elbow), and for what it's worth, I would never buy a Vararam for the simple fact that I Just don't like the quality or the looks of it, not that it's not functional, just not my cup of tea. I prefer the Vortex quality and asthetics period in addition, it Works ..Hope this internet tough guy brought something to the table.

BTW..do you even own a vette? Nice profile with Zero info..

 

 

 

 

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OK - that's a great debate; thanks everyone to share their (hopefully unbiased) experience, and it seems like there is an agreement for sure: CAI are worth it. Which one makes more sense to install, still the question remains... A few criteria to consider:

- Price: Vortex $485, Var $399 (or better) for C6 LS2
- Overheating issues: only rumors - no measurements, a few conflicting opinions
- Performance: no true side by side comparison; both seems to shave 0.4 sec or more on the 1/4 miles; pretty good
- Reliability/durability: no concern reported, but little data (still a "yound product" for C6)
- Ease of installation: no comparative data - I would guess pretty close
- Ease of maintenance: no comparative data - I would guess pretty close
- Fuel economy impact ??? anybody knows?

any other criterium(a) to consider?

Exclusivity? Do you want your engine compartment to look like all the others?

How about sucking in water? The Vararam has this issue from the reading I've done. The Vortex gets it's ram air from the radiator shroud area and is pointing in a direction that avoids possible water in the engine. An important thing to consider, possibly.

I'm leaning towards a Vortex. I like the looks. I've heard also that the Vararam system is not made that well but then again, I currently have NEITHER !

 

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Let's assume the benefits are similar.

Next thing people want to compare is cost.

OK, maybe the VR is a bit cheaper. However, it is not carbon fiber, just plastic (correct?).

The Vortex looks pretty tough and neat. Nothing sticking out where you can see it. Maybe some people want a snorkle in the air scoop area?

Anyway, where is the Vararam made? I think the Vortex is made in the USA and to me that has value that I'm willing to pay extra for.

Also, I'd like to be unique, so if the other differences are accounted for, I may decide to go with the unique option.

In the end, same idea, different execution. But I do like the explanation of how the Vortex does it's thing, which is to have the intake/filter located in an area that is already delivering a lot of air pressure due to the air dam. Makes sense. It doesn't look as gimmicky, either, but no slam on anybody that likes VR better! I have neither at this point, so I'm still debating what to do.

 

 

 

 

 
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Interesting about the springs. I had breathless put the softest springs in prior to shipping. Installed it, but it kept bouncing out of 1st to 3rd. In the mean time I called ernie and he sent the spacer for the cup. I changed the springs to the middle one-green. Then I tried again to the 2nd softest. I like it that way the best. My buzzing was from one of the loose nuts on the shaft install----my fault, I tightened it--no more buzzing for me.. I found I need a pad for the console to raise my hand height up.

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